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章华:回复好人一生平安  邮箱:drdanielcheung@gmail.com  IP:220.246.74.155  日期:2012-5-4 [回复51楼]

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  你好,要取得Vinpocetine,有二个途经,要省钱可以写长春胺或长春胺缓释剂的名去医院找内科或神经内科的医生开药,以我在国内行医的经验,一般都会开给你,但我有病人也有碰钉子的,另外在网上订,我也了解了一下,60颗10mg的大致在人民币150左右,如按照薛老的建议,不要买太便宜的,当然也不要买最贵的,始终有一个基准价,但要注意Vinpocetine不是立竿见影的效果,我建议大家服用也是希望此药可以于雷沙吉兰一样,长远可以推迟帕症的进展。这就是我和大家的目标,还有一点要注意,在吃Vinpocetine以后,目前的帕药不能停服,如有临床症状要对症处理,你妈妈的情况具体我并不清楚,所以无从回答。我今天把Vinpocetine刊登在美国国家科学院院刊上的报告附上,让大家再看看这只药的药理和期望所在。中文是长春花碱是强力抗炎剂Vinpocetine as a potent antiinflammatory agent
  Authors
  Alexandre E. Medina1Department of Anatomy and Neurobiology, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA 23236
  Chronic inflammatory processes are related to conditions as distinct as atherosclerosis, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, asthma, systemic lupus, Alzheimer’s disease, and Parkinson’s disease. The continuous use of antiinflammatory agents is required to treat these conditions. However, the long-term use of these drugs creates an additional challenge: the high frequency of severe side effects. For instance, the long-term use of corticosteroids and cyclooxigenase (COX) inhibitors can dramatically increase the risk for cardiovascular problems and diabetes (1). Currently, there are great efforts to discover antiinflammatory drugs that can be used for long periods with minimal side effects. In PNAS, Jeon et al. (2) show that vinpocetine, a phosphodiesterase (PDE) inhibitor known for its minimal side effects (3, 4) and great potential in cognitive enhancement (5–8), also has potent antiinflammatory action. Surprisingly, the antiin-flammatory action of vinpocetine is caused by a direct inhibition of the IκB kinase complex (IKK) rather than PDE blockade.
  
  
  Next SectionVinpocetine Improves Neuronal PlasticityVinpocetine is an alkaloid extracted from the periwinkle plant and has been tested as a neuronal plasticity enhancer and marketed as a “memory booster.” Vinpocetine treatment has been shown to facilitate long-term potentiation (9), improve spatial memory in animal models (6, 7), and enhance performance on cognitive tests in humans (10). The cognitive enhancement function of vinpocetine comes from its inhibition of PDE type 1, which leads to an increase in cAMP and cGMP levels. These cyclic nucleotides can in turn activate a series of kinases that phosphorylate the transcription factors cAMP response element binding protein (CREB) and serum response factor (SRF), leading to the expression of plasticity-related genes (11) (Fig. 1A).
  
  
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  Mechanisms of vinpocetine action. (A) Adenylyl cyclase activity increases cAMP levels, activating PKA. Active forms of PKA may translocate to the nucleus and phosphorylate CREB. Similarly, guanylyl cyclase activity increases cGMP levels, activating the Ras/Raf pathway either directly or through PKG. This leads to the activation of ERK and the phosphorylation of both CREB and SRF. Because PDE1 catalyzes the hydrolysis of cAMP and cGMP, its inhibition by vinpocetine increases the level of these cyclic nucleotides, ultimately leading to the expression of plasticity-related genes. (B) In its inactive state, NFκB is located in the cytoplasm attached to its inhibitory subunit IκB. Inflammatory signals activate the IKK complex, which in turn phosphorylates IκB. IκB phosphorylation leads to its ubiquitination (and eventual degradation) by ubiquitin enzymes (UE). Without IκB, NFκB translocates to the nucleus, where it phosphorylates κB sites in many genes, which results in the expression of many proinflammatory molecules. Vinpocetine blocks IKK activity, preventing NFκB-triggered protein expression.
  
  Previous SectionNext SectionVinpocetine Reduces Inflammation by IKK InhibitionRecently, it was shown that the modulation of cAMP by PDE type 4 inhibitors can be effective in reducing inflammation by reducing cytokine release in a variety of cell types, and these drugs are being tested in chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and bowel disease (12–14). However, most PDE type 4 inhibitors can produce nausea and vomiting, and active research for more tolerable agents is ongoing (12).
  
  Because vinpocetine is a PDE inhibitor that has minimal side effects, Jeon et al. investigated whether this drug could be efficient in reducing NFκB transcription after stimulation by TNFα (one of the hallmarks of the inflammatory process). Remarkably, in vitro tests showed that vinpocetine prevented the up-regulation of NFκB by TNFα in vascular smooth cells, human umbilical vein endothelial cells, lung epithelial A549 cells, and a macrophage cell line. In addition, RT-PCR analysis showed that vinpocetine also reduced the TNFα-induced expression of the mRNA of proinflammatory molecules such as interleukin-1β, monocyte chemoattractant protein-1 (MCP-1), and vascular cell adhesion molecule-1 (VCAM-1). To confirm the antiinflammatory properties of vinpocetine in an in vivo preparation, the authors used a lipopolysaccharide and TNFα intratracheal inoculation in the mouse. Remarkably, i.p. administered vinpocetine was able to significantly reduce polymorphonuclear neutrophil infiltration in lung tissues.
  
  What are the mechanisms that underlie the antiinflammatory properties of vinpocetine? Using multiple assays, Jeon et al. showed that vinpocetine inhibits IKK, preventing IκB degradation and the consequent translocation of NFκB to the nucleus (Fig. 1B). Surprisingly, this mechanism is independent of vinpocetine action on PDE1.
  
  An important question that arises from this work is whether vinpocetine’s effect can be maintained during long-term treatment. Would IKK blockade show tolerance? Would feedback mechanisms cancel the initial effect? Answering these questions would be important to evaluate vinpocetine’s potential for clinical use.
  
  Previous SectionNext SectionCould Vinpocetine Reduce Inflammation and Enhance Cognition in Neurodegenerative Diseases?The antiinflammatory role of vinpocetine in tandem with its cognitive improvement properties could be of particular interest in neurodegenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s disease (PD) and Alzheimer’s disease (AD) (see refs. 15 and 16 for reviews). For instance, in PD, TNFα is increased in the striatum and substantia nigra and probably contributes to the neuroinflammatory processes that culminate in neuronal death (17, 18). Supporting this view, it has also been shown that genetic alterations of TNFα can significantly increase the risk of developing PD (19, 20). In AD, there is growing evidence showing that the accumulation of the amyloid-β protein leads to an up-regulation of interleukins and TNFα that contributes to the neurodegeneration seen in many brain regions (21). In fact, prolonged treatment with antiinflammatory drugs can reduce the risk for AD (16, 21). It would be interesting to test whether vinpocetine’s antiinflammatory properties would have a protective effect in models of neurodegenerative conditions such as AD and PD.
  
  Previous SectionNext SectionAcknowledgmentsWork in the A.E.M. laboratory is supported by National Institutes of Health Research Grant R01AA013023.
  
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  請問舌下的輔酶Q10在什麼地方有得買,我是在薛老介紹的網站 Puritan’s pride買的UBIQUINOL。請可否推荐一下。謝謝。 

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  回复51楼 章华:回复好人一生平安
  
  根据你的提示,查到一款国产药:长春胺缓释胶囊。附上说明书,请您看一下该药能否用。
  
  长春胺缓释胶囊说明书
  【药品名称】
  商品名:奥勃兰
  通用名:长春胺缓释胶囊
  英文名:Vincamine Sustained Capsules
  主要成分:长春胺,其化学名为(3α,14β,16α)-14,15-二氢-14-羟基象牙烯宁-14-羧酸甲酯
  【性 状】本品为硬胶囊,内容物为白色球形微丸。
  【药理作用】代谢作用:提高神经元对葡萄糖和循环氧的利用能力。
  血液动力学作用:扩张脑血管和毛细血管,改善脑血流量但不影响心脏血流量和全身血循环。
  【安全性】临床耐受性:疗效好,无突发心脏功能紊乱、头痛、头晕等不适症状,偶有胃耐受性差(胃痛、恶心)情况。
  心血管耐受性:患者在治疗前和治疗后血压稳定、无显著波动,脉搏未发现明显变化。
  生物耐受性:服用本品后未引起生物常数改变,生物耐受性良好。
  无药物蓄积:长春胺源自天然植物,安全、无毒、无体内药物蓄积。
  【吸收、分布、消除】奥勃兰(长春胺缓释胶囊)与普通剂型比较,克服了峰谷现象,防止过高血浓,提供持久有效的血药浓度。每次服药后血药浓度保持100ng/ml以上可达12小时。
  【适应症】本品用于治疗衰老期心理行为障碍(如警觉性和记忆力丧失、头晕、耳鸣、时间与空间定向力障碍、失眠)。也可用于急性脑血管病及脑外伤后综合征。
  眼科方面:可用于治疗缺血性视网膜疾病。耳、鼻、喉科方面:可用于治疗耳蜗前庭疾病。
  【用法用量】口服,一次一粒,一日二次,早晚各服一粒,最好饭后服用。
  【禁忌】颅内高压患者禁用。
  【注意事项】
  1.本品不具有长期抗高血压作用,因此不能代替抗高血压治疗。
  2.心律失常或低血钾患者慎用。
  【孕妇及哺乳期妇女用药】孕妇或哺乳期妇女禁用。
  【药物相互作用】尚不明确。
  【规 格】30mg/粒
  【贮 藏】密封、干燥处保存
  【包 装】10粒/盒
  【有效期】三年
  【批准文号】国药准字H20000714
   

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  回复48楼 章华:回复薛老
  
  請問吃Plavix 75mg and Aspirin 100mg 的病人還可以吃 Vinpocetine嗎? 

章华:帕金森症的早期治疗  邮箱:drdanielcheung@gmail.com  IP:117.136.31.150  日期:2012-5-5 [回复55楼]

  帕金森症的早期治疗
  回复新手和苍松的问题,在使用Vinpocetine抗炎治疗帕症中,因为牵涉到长期的药物摄入,所有必须非常小心选择,目前的药物原料供应主要有欧洲(匈牙利及保加利亚)中国大陆(温州,石家庄及潍坊),还有非洲,还有一些不是天然提取是人工合成的,然而在临床使用植物药或生物活性提取物时必然要考虑一个道地的问题,另外在国外众多有关Vinpocetine在抗炎方面的临床研究,均是以欧洲原材料做的测试报告,所以不得不考虑药物来源和临床药效的关系,因为理论上有关药效药代的数据只适用于原产地原料,这也是为何每个临床研究测试必须要清晰原材料的来源原因。这是第一点,另外长春西汀是高度脂溶和高度血浆亲和度,在口服药物后可迅速进入血液及透过BBB(血脑屏障)到达丘脑和脑核包括基底部组织,其半衰期在4-5小时左右,所以在应用上可以用每日三次的服用方法来维持血液内的药物浓度,所以目前售价不菲的缓释药物唯一的好处是每日服用一次比较方便,但是否可以维持长时间的血液中有效药物浓度我有保留,另外每次30mg一次摄入对消化道的不良反应还是需要考虑的。
  综上所述,对于长春西汀药物的选取,我的建议如下,首选是美国、加拿大原产的Vinpocetine天然补充剂(必须注明Natural),从心理上来说,摄入补充剂好过天天吃药,或者欧洲处方药Neurovin包括匈牙利原产的药物(国内已有10mg的医保药物,次选才是每日30mg一次的缓释剂型。
  另外,Plavix和aspirin都是普通抗凝剂,应用长春西汀沒有问题,但是它能进入乳汁和胎盘,孕妇还是要慎用,如服用中出现腹泻也要及时停药,在药效方面,某些研究发现每日超过40mg会有药效减低的情况,所以基本做法是每次饭后10mg,每日三次即可。 

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  謝謝章医生的详细答覆,使我明白一定要选靠得住的来源,我在Source Naturals 网上查到了 SN1398 60tab $10.75,SN1399 120tab $19.88, 請問章医生这两只是天然提取的吗?我查找的是否对?因为我查找 Vinpocetine , 显示出来有三个products, 由于英文程度有限,我只懂找了SN1398,SN1399, 如果我找的是对的話我就可以在這個网上订了。
  
  另外我还想请问您,舌下的辅酶Q10在哪儿能买到。
  
  十分感谢您为病人着想能公开这么多对病人有用的资料,为您这种无私的精神而感动。一般来说医生是不会告诉病人这么多资料的,真的谢谢您。 

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  谢谢章医生的回复,受益匪浅。
   

好人一生平安:谢谢章医生  IP:221.11.61.177  日期:2012-5-7 [回复58楼]

  谢谢章医生
  谢谢章医生的详细解答。在内地难得碰到一位即耐心,又对pd关注较深入的好医生。这也是我们常常感到很无助的事。 

求助者:回复51楼 请教章华医生  IP:122.225.124.206  日期:2012-5-8 [回复59楼]

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  回复51楼 章华:回复好人一生平安
  
  请教章华医生,淘宝网上卖的“美国原装SWANSON 长春西汀 10MG*90粒,价格: 62.99元”是不是你说的那种药?谢谢!
   

章华:帕金森症的早期治疗  邮箱:drdanielcheung@gmail.com  IP:220.246.74.155  日期:2012-5-8 [回复60楼]

  帕金森症的早期治疗
  谢谢新手,苍松和好人一生平安的鼓励,我是觉得在目前帕症的治疗上有一个很大的误区,讲个实例,就算在医疗相当的香港,昨天有一位病人初诊,公立医院医生在病人震颤情况不断加重的情况下,持续给予Sinemet,即补充左旋多巴,没有给予任何受体激动剂或神经保护剂。一叶知秋,内地170万帕症病人的情况也可想而知。在众多慢性病中,目前帕症的控制是最差的,病人也承受了最多最大的副作用,我很同情,希望更多的帕症患者可以缓解病情,有一个比较好的生活质量。网友新手的查找信息是对的,它是天然制剂,当然还有其他品牌,在内地有匈牙利的原产药物,是医保药物,我和个别病友透露过,我不会公开品牌名,希望大家在没有副作用的前提下,服用这只药,等到FDA有一天批准Vinpocetine可以治疗帕症的时候,希望我们已经早着先机了。关于新手查询Q10舌下剂型,你可如查Vinpocetine一样,键入Q10 under tongue即可,找不到再问我吧。 

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